New Eclipse stills!

30 03 2010

Dearest Twihards,

We have some new Eclipse stills!

Photo: Kimberly French (c) Summit Ent. 2010

So let’s talk about what’s going on in the picture above. First of all, as many have noted – Jasper’s hair (at least, I THINK that’s Jasper…it’s so hard to tell with him looking all girly like that) has managed to get WORSE. Who even knew that was possible??? I’m afraid to see what it looks like by the time we get to Breaking Dawn. I KNOW the real Alice wouldn’t let him get away with a ‘do like that…

On another note, what scene do you think this is? The fight with the newborns? Is that why they’re all color-coordinated? Like team jerseys? If so, do the wolves have blue doggie jerseys? Aww ūüôā Or maybe this is just David Slade paying homage to Cathy’s (over)usage of the color blue (on EVERYthing) in the first film. Who knows? I’m not going to ask him. Dude’s scary.

Photo: Kimberly French (c) Summit

Nooooow we’re talkin’ ūüôā We all know what scene this is – the Legends of the Bonfire (lolz jk). Look at Taycob gettin’ all serious about his wolfy heritage. Boy looks hotttt. Kristen, on the other hand…what is UP with the hair in this movie?! Check out that wacko hairline. Poor Kristen, we know it’s not your fault. Other than that though, you look beautiful babe. I’d kill for skin that clear. She looks a little revolted though…you think Paul just swallowed a cow whole? (And live? Ew.)

What I don’t know is how the girl is resisting grabbing onto that musclebound hunk of man-arm RIGHT BESIDE her shoulder. Willpower.

Photo: Kimberly French (c) Summit

AHA FINALLY – GREAT HAIR! Seriously, everyone in this scene has it going ON upstairs. Kristen has no wacky hairlines, Rob’s little perfectly coiffed curl sticking out front (no that’s not a euphemism) and Taylor…well, now that they stopped using that godawful wig, he’s pretty much good to go. Question though – is Kristen really THAT much smaller than BOTH of them? Or do they have TayTay standing on a box? ‘Cause the KStew looks friggin’ TINY in this pic! So, now, what scene is this? Edward looks a little pissed…Kristen looks wide-eyed (what a shock) and Taycob looks…like the sun’s in his eyes lol (Or maybe he got blinded by Edward’s sparkles ;-)). Looks like they’re outside of Bella’s house. I want to say that it’s the “Sounds about right, pup” scene, BUT Bella isn’t clutching her hand from werewolf-punching (really, why would you punch something that fine? Why? You can kiss me any time, honey. …though I will admit that seeing Kristen punch Taylor is going to be EPIC.) I’m drawing a blank. Help me out guys – what scene do you think this is?

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Breaking Dawn Breakdown

4 11 2009

16 Days!!!!

 

New Moon Quote of the Day: “I think she‚Äôs having hysterics. Maybe you should slap her.” — Alice Cullen, Chapter 22 (shoutout to jacndaniel!)

As promised, I now bring you the post-Breaking Dawn breakdown. The in-depth discussion of that epic final installment that ensued immediately after our finishing the book and over the course of the next few months. That’s right – we hadn’t slept in over 24 hours and were running on pure adrenaline, coffee and poptarts. So, if we seem crazy, that’s why. (Or, at least, that’s what we’ll blame it on.) At the bottom of this post you’ll also find the new TV spot, Volturi featurette¬†and some Twilight-related humor to brighten your day ūüôā

Jake and Nessie (Or, what I like to call “Sure as hell didn’t see that one coming”)

Oo-interesting question: can Jake and Renesmee have kids? and if they can, what exactly would those kids BE? Steph really needs to write some books bout Renesmee. Renesmee is such a great character! And I thought they probably could…but I didn’t know whether the human or the vamp was the dominant side of her in that department. Cause female vamps can’t have kids. But I just don’t see how their offspring could exist as part-wolf part-vamp since they’re such opposites…and mortal enemies. I¬†think loving your enemy is different than containing both creatures in one body…they’d self-destruct. But i think renesmee did actually have wolf tendencies…since she was hotter than the average person…and she certainly didn’t get that from her parents.
“This sure sounds like trouble to me: A generation of guys who will settle for nothing less than a porn star meets a generation of women who expect their boyfriend to crawl through their bedroom window at night and just nuzzle gently until they fall asleep.” – Gail Collins, NYT

Post-Bookem Depression (Let’s face it, we all felt it)

Omg I’m seriously depressed that the story is over, despite Midnight Sun¬†(RIP).¬†I think I’m projecting my feelings onto the poor book, cause sometimes¬†I think¬†I really hate it…but then¬†I realize¬†I think my problem is that it’s the last one lol. Cause other times¬†I love it. But¬†I think it’s just an adjustment – cause everything changes SO drastically. Their relationship and their lives. Idk…it’s just hard to go from their innocent, nothing-matters-but-each-other relationship to their married, we-love-our-kid-just-as-much-if-not-more-than-each-other one. If that makes sense. Things just changed so much. And I’m adverse to change. but¬†I think it’s more that im just upset it’s over than the book. They do still have Edward/Bella mments¬†but those moments are different too.¬†I think that article that said their abstinence was better than all the snogging in Harry Potter because they want something bad but they weren’t going to get it was really right (oh sexual tension, thou art masochistically enjoyable). Because¬†I totally prefer the first 3 in that respect. Which is odd. Though¬†I must say the pillow/headboard/nightgown shredding was funny.
 

Where I was wondering why you have to tear vampires apart before you burn them (Like Edward needing the Volturi’s/Jake’s help in New Moon/Breaking Dawn)

So I’m watching an interview and she (Steph) totally just confirmed my theory that the reason for tearing vamps apart to burn them is just so they can’t run away. If the vamp was willing to die (aka Edward) then that wouldn’t really be necessary. But it still doesn’t answer my “why doesn’t he just set himself on fire?” question. *sigh* and there better be a better reason than just because if he did that they wouldn’t have had time to save him (in New Moon).
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok. I have my answer. The venom is flammable. But they have to be in pieces for the venom to be where the fire can reach it. That makes sense.
Though since Edward could extract enough venom to inject into Bella’s heart (in Breaking Dawn), why couldn’t he get a cup and douse himself in it, then set himself on fire? Dang it,¬†I was satisfied and now that’s occurred to me and¬†I need another answer…I¬†wonder how he extracted the venom that he had in the syringe…spit? lol¬†I guess it would take a while to spit out enough venom to douse yourself in. Or maybe since their skin isn’t permeable, it would just slide off before he could set himself on fire. There has to be a good explanation, dang it. Or maybe he just wasn’t thinking clearly…after all, he was upset (to put it mildly).¬†I found jake’s assessment of him as “the burning man” more than a little ironic. But in a horribly not funny way.¬†
But he’s only realllllly wanted to kill himself twice. And only thought about it 3 times. And every time he’s thought about it, he was in a tizzy. The first time running to save Bella from James and fearing he was too late. Then when he thought she was dead, you know he wasn’t thinking straight. And then when he thought the baby was gonna kill her, you know he was more worried about her than his plans for afterward. And that time, I’m sure asking Jake was easier than coming up with something creative himself. Especially since he could hear Jake’s thoughts and knew he was willing. After all, that’s why Jake went there that day in the first place. Though¬†I suppose since he blamed himself for what was happening to Bella (as is Edward’s tendency) he probably wanted the end to be painful…masochist.
I’m sure there is a reason. She (Steph) has a reason for everything. This is why we love her. But yeah, like Alice said, you don’t get many suicidal vampires.
 

Here we digress into Edward vs Jake (is there a contest, though, really?)

But¬†I think we’re probably definitely giving this too much thought. But I KNOW that whole section I was in tears (Basically the entire second section of Breaking Dawn). And I’m so not a crier.¬†I felt a little ridiculous. But it’s funny,¬†I was more upset for Edward than Bella…funny, but not surprising I suppose,¬†since I’m in love with him. And¬†I got a little pissed with Jake again even though¬†I was on the verge of forgiving him for being so mean to poor Edward.¬†I was like “someone needs to hug the boy!” and someone needs kick Jake in the shin. *sigh* but then¬†I forgave him. Oh she’s (Steph)¬†good…tricky, but good.
Hmm…that didn’t come out right. Let me try again.¬†I got pissed with Jake for being mean to Edward, even though¬†I had been on the verge of forgiving him for the past (read: Eclipse)…there, that makes more sense¬†.
Sometimes¬†I honestly could care less about Bella. But if Edward is hurting, even in a roundabout way, it’s far more upsetting than it should be for a fictional character. And God¬†I hope it’s not worse the second time…I was so upset for the first 2 sections of the book…it was absolutely horrible until Bella became a vamp.¬†I kept bursting into tears.¬†I felt like such a pansy lol.
You¬†know, people keep saying that Steph is misogynistic…but Stephenie has an excellent point. Bella may be physically weaker than Edward and Jake, but she totally has them on leashes (no pun intended lol)¬†I mean, she OWNS them. It’s rather amusing. Well…she owns Jake for a while…until Nessie comes along hehe. (Come back this weekend for¬†a special poston the claims that Twilight is misogynistic!)
Edward would do anything for her cause he’s a god and completely selfless, regardless of how he sees himself. Jake would do ALMOST anything for her. But he takes advantage of the fact that he knows she’ll forgive him if he does something she doesn’t like. Which is why he LOST. Ha. But, for example, he wouldn’t have stayed out of the fight like Edward did in Eclipse. Though, granted, he didn’t have the guilt of leaving (like Edward does after¬†New Moon)¬†affecting his decision.
 

Even More Thoughts on Imprinting (cause that one will never get old)

And yeah, imprinting on babies is realllllly strange. But if you think about it, technically, Edward is like 90 years older than Bella…soooo….yeah,¬†I think our human perspective affects our take on that whole business a bit.
Yes Edward is fully grown, but which is more important – the physical age or the mental and emotional age? And at least it’s not romantic (for Jake). Though that doesn’t stop Edward (who can see it from Jake’s point of view) and Bella from being PISSED. Can’t blame them really. But Edward is such a good daddy :o)¬†I love it!! (Edward as a dad is sexy, no? Weird.)
They’re (Edward and Bella)only the same age physically though. Age is such a tricky thing in this series.¬†I think we’re biased against the wolves. But,¬†I mean, even Edward kinda doubts the age thing in New Moon because he thinks after 100 years of experience, his love is more powerful than Bella’s, who is after all just an 18 year old human, which is how he convinces himself to leave. He was wrong, of course, but still, the thought was there. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

Well, those were our thoughts in the immediate aftermath of Breaking Dawn. What did you think? What’s changed for you when you’ve reread it since then? Do you still have unanswered questions? Discuss in the comments!

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Wild Theorizing…that turned out to be not-so-crazy

31 10 2009

First things first, NEW footage of the Papercut scene in “New Moon” has been released!!! Check it out HERE.

Now, for today’s musings…

Half the fun of a series is waiting in anticipation for the next installment and coming up with insane theories about what will happen. The weeks leading up to Breaking Dawn‘s August 2, 2008 release were the longest of my life. To keep ourselves sane, my best friend and I spent countless hours making wild guesses and staying up till midnight every night to see the new Breaking Dawn quote of the day (even on the nights that they were posted 2 hours late. We’re crazy completely normal, we know.) Looking back now, some of our theories are hilarious and some are just plain crazy. In honor of the days of yore, here’s a recap of some of our wild theories leading up to that fateful day, August 2nd.

Our theory that Bella’s human blood-aversion would stay with her after vampirization:

(I was watching a Stephenie Meyer interview when I wrote these)

Oo, she just said something that fits in (or at least I think it does) with the awesome Bella’s-blood-aversion theory. She said just like Jasper was already charismatic as a human, Bella *thinks differently*…special emphasis on those last two words. Not liking blood would DEFINITELY be a different way of thinking once she becomes a vamp. *hopeful look*

Our theory that Steph would abuse the Death Stick like JK Rowling:

and am i the only one that kinda feels like someone’s gonna die in breaking dawn? I mean, it’s REALLY odd for a series like this to go all the way thru without a protagonist dying (and i don’t just mean turning into a vamp) tho I don’t think it will be edward or bella….or jake….I think i remember steph saying ed and bel dont die…and she loves jakes too much *gross*

Our Bella-is-part-vampire theory (that lead to our best theory – vamps and humans can reproduce – win!):

¬†So, I have another theory…and it’s much more far-fetched than the others, buuuut…what if Bella is part vampire? I mean, she’s REALLY pale and she can smell blood, which, as Edward says, humans can’t do. I mean, 2 vampires can’t reproduce, but what about a human and a vampire? It can’t be an… issue very often cause most vampires don’t have that kind of self-control, but that also feeds into your theory about Edward and Bella reproducing and that being the thing that the treaty didn’t anticipate. lol-it gives whole new meaning to the term “newborn” haha.

I think (based on the many interviews and such that I’ve read) that when Edward said he was a man, he meant emotionally…he still had enough humanity to feel love (and lust). The only thing that changes when you become a vamp is your physicality. Once your body has changed into a vampire body, it doesn’t go …thru any more changes. Your body is basically frozen as-is, which makes it impossible for a female vampire to have a baby. However, idk how the mechanics would work for a male vamp…and his human girlfriend, whose body COULD have a baby…*hmm*

¬†Oo – and more evidence for the Bella is part vamp theory, tho this isn’t as strong of evidence. But remember in New Moon where Charlie tells Alice that Bella is a constant little thing and it’s not in her nature to heal from something like this (meaning Edward leaving her)…and then in Eclipse, Edward tells …Jake that it’s rare for a vamp to experience a real change – they’re set in their ways, but when something does happen, like when Bella came into his life, it’s permanent and there’s no going back? Sooo maybe that’s another sign. And also, it’s odd that Bella doesn’t relate to humans well at all…but she has no problem being in love with a vamp and a werewolf…so maybe she doesn’t totally belong in the human world…cause she’s part vamp. Yes, this theory is far-fetched, but I’ve kinda thought it from the beginning lol.

hmm she just refused to answer the question “can vampires have children?” fuel for our theory

Our Steph-is-going-to-ruin-our-lives-and-make-Bella-choose-the-dog theory:

*sigh* Stephenine just said in this interview that she married her best friend…translate that into Twilight terms=Jake. I hope she’s not big on writing from personal experience…

but¬†[my friend]¬†pointed out that maybe Jake would imprint on someone besides Bella in BD cause remember Edward said that the imprinting reminded him of the fairies love spells in A Midsummer Night’s Dream…so maybe that’s what Steph meant when she said it was partly based on that.

Ok, everything is going to be ok. Direct Stephenie quote: “How could I split up Edward and Bella?”

*WHEW*

guys are pro-jake cause they don’t wanna have to compete with edward’s perfection – duh

Thoughts on imprinting:

¬†(Yeah, we sure as hell didn’t see that one coming)¬†

ok so something that just occurred to me about this imprinting business. We know Jake didn’t imprint on Bella. Ok, so how the imprinting thing works is that, even if you’ve seen her before, it doesn’t happen until after you become a werewolf and see her again, right? But is that just if she’s not so…meone you really know. Like Jared and Kim. He saw her but didn’t know her or give her any thought until he imprinted. So is the reason Jake didn’t imprint on Bella because they were already in love when he became a werewolf, so it wasn’t really necessary? Rather than, there’s someone else out there that he’s going to imprint on?

 

Well, that’s all folks!

Come back tomorrow the post-Breaking Dawn break down!

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Personal Playlist

23 10 2009

As many of you know, Steph has playlists on her site that correspond to each book in the series. I don’t know about you, but she has got mad-awesome taste for a Mormon stay-at-home mom (that’s not to hate on Mormons – a lot of my favorite people are Mormon. I would convert if it weren’t for the rule against caffeine.). I wish my mom was that cool. But I spend so much time thinking about Twilight that other songs seem explicitly connected to the series in my brain. So, here’s my Twi playlist. Enjoy!

All Around Me by Flyleaf (For Isle Esme, obviously ;-))

Here Without You by Three Doors Down (for Edward while he’s gone in New Moon)

Your Guardian Angel by The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus (Edward in the whole series, but especially Twilight)

When Your Heart Stops Beating by +44 (Obvious reasons)

Into the Ocean by Blue October (for Bella’s cliff-diving escapade)

Thunder by Boys Like Girls (Twilight!)

I Will Always Love You by Dolly Parton or Whitney Houston (for Edward as he leaves in New Moon)

Better in Time by Leona Lewis (For Bella in New Moon)

Not Meant to Be by Theory of a Deadman (for poor Jake)

Untouched by the Veronicas (for Bella)

Shattered by O.A.R. (for Bella in New Moon)

What do you think? What are some of your Twilight songs?¬†Share in the comments! And don’t forget to follow on Twitter!

TwiLove,

My Never

PS – What do you guys think of the new clip of the¬†Volturi fight scene from “New Moon”? My reactions were 1. The Volturi are scary as *hell*! and 2.¬†Wow. That’s¬†a¬†LOT of slow-mo.





Breaking Dawn (Breaking Headboards)

22 10 2009

SPOILER ALERT – if you haven’t read Breaking Dawn (or Eclipse), don’t read this post (go read the books instead ;-))!

 

The final epic installment of the Twilight Saga caused a lot of controversy. Some fans loved it, some fans were like “what the hell?!” and some where a little bit of both. I was the latter. I actually saw Renesmee coming because my friend and I spent a month before the book was released debating every possible outcome (especially once the quotes-of-the-day started). However, I did NOT see Jake’s imprinting or the graphically violent birth scene coming. Breaking Dawn was intense (but that might have been because it was 4 am and I hadn’t slept in over 24 hours).¬† When I first got to part two and realized it was from Jake’s point-of-view I was NOT a happy fanpire. But, as I read, I realized Stephenie is, as I should have already known, a genius. Breaking Dawn changed a LOT of this and definitely took some getting used to, but I definitely love it as much as the rest of the series (Except for Midnight Sun. I love it the most, even if it is only 12 chapters *insert sobs here*).

For one thing, the first 3 times I read Twilight through Eclipse (before Breaking Dawn came out) I hated (HATED) Jacob Black. I hoped he would stay gone after he left in the prologue of Eclipse. He was a meddling little brat that hated the man vampire¬†I loved and caused him unneccessary pain PLUS he damn near broke up Bella and Edward which was UNacceptable. Especially in the (2nd) Eclipse scene where the immature little brat threatened to let himself be killed if Bells didn’t kiss him…I wanted to ring his wolfy little neck. Buuuuut, then came Breaking Dawn. I saw inside Jake’s (notice the name change here…I’ve started calling him by Bella’s nickname for him…I can’t help it. I’m Bella. *cough*I wish*cough*) deliciously snarky head and saw that he was actually a sweet and funny guy who was trying to save the life of the girl he loved. I started to feel for him the way Bella did – still definitively Team Edward, but Jake had weaseled his way into a soft spot in my heart. Then, when I went back and reread the rest of the series (especially New Moon) I discovered that all of the things I hated about him before were kinda endearing¬†and understandable all of a sudden. Steph has MAD skills. I think she did this on purpose. I had watched a lot of interviews where she expressed his displeasure over the Jacob-hate and said that apparently no one but herself understood the way his (hilarious) mind works. So what does she do? Gives us a whole big section full of fabulous Jake-snark. I was upset at first, but by the end, I was hella glad that I did NOT have to read that particular part from Bella’s point-of-view. It was stressful enough from Jake’s pov. Like I said, Steph’s brilliant. My friends each texted me when they got to section 2 going “WHAT?! She’s switching narrators?!?!?!” and each time I assured them that they just needed to have a little faith in our Twi-goddess’s infinite wisdom. And each time, they ended up agreeing with me.

Something else that took some serious getting-used-to in BD was Bella as a wife/mother/vampire. Like many Twilight fans, I am none of those things. I had been able to thoroughly relate to Bella throughout the rest of the series (so clumsy I’m almost disabled? Yep.) but all of a sudden, she was someone I didn’t know. She matured about 20 years in the course of a few hundred pages. It was disorienting to say the least. I couldn’t relate to her new maternal instincts. I still can’t, but I got past the inital confusion and got to know the new Bella and I gotta say, I love her just as much as the old Bella. I still have a really hard time going back and forth between the first three books and Breaking Dawn though. Each time, I have to readjust to Bella’s two different incarnations, because they are definitely distinct. I find Bella’s whole character development over the course of the series as quite striking. Rarely do you get to see that kind of evolution in one character in a short series.

Edward also changed for me in Breaking Dawn. After Renesmee’s birth and Bella’s change, when he had everything he’d ever wanted and no longer had to worry about Bella constantly, he became a lot less mysterious (which, let’s face it, is a huge part of his appeal). When he knew Bella was hiding something from him and didn’t question her about it I was very much like “What? Edward-the-curious would NEVER let something like that go!” It was really strange for me. But I do¬†feel like he got a lot of that (and his stubbornness :-)) back over the course of the Volturi/Apocalypse plotline, thank God Carlisle. Edward’s called “the perfect man(vampire)” a lot, but I don’t think that’s true because that would be sooo boring! He can be stubborn and grumpy, overly curious and frustratingly incomprehensible – and that’s a big part of what I love about him.

What do you guys think about all of this? Did BD change your feelings for Jake? Was Bella’s transition hard for you? How ’bout Edward’s unassailable mellow-ness? I’m really interested to see if I’m alone in these feelings! Be sure to comment and don’t forget to follow¬†the blog¬†on Twitter or find¬†it on Facebook! Spread the word – tell your TwiFriends about this blog!

As always, lots of TwiLove,

My Never





Quo-Twi-ables

21 10 2009

Hey guys! Sorry for not posting yesterday. Life’s been crazy this week. This post is gonna be a little short, but I promise to make it up to you later this week! First things first – have you seen the new “New Moon” footage from iTunes? If not check it out! And be sure to download your free copy from iTunes! It’s got some awesome wolfy action!

So today I thought I’d share some of my favorite Twilight Saga quotes. Be sure to comment with some of your favorites!

“No, I don’t care if you bite Jacob. That’s fine.” –Edward, Breaking Dawn

Jacob’s Chapter Titles in Breaking Dawn¬†(cause you know they were the best):

“Waiting for the damn fight to start already.”

“Sure as hell didn’t see that one coming.”

“Why didn’t I just walk away? Oh right, because I’m an idiot.”

“Some people just don’t grasp the concept of ‘unwelcome’.”

“You know things are bad when you feel guilty for being rude to vampires.”

“Instead of being the A/V dweeb about to ask the head cheerleader to the prom, I was the finished-second-place werewolf about to ask the vampire’s wife to shack up and procreate. Nice.” –Jake, Breaking Dawn

“Did you know that ‘I told you so’ has a brother, Jacob? His name is ‘Shut the hell up’.” –Bella, Breaking Dawn

“Bout time somebody scored around here.” –Emmett, Breaking Dawn

Bella: “Why am I covered in feathers?”
Edward: “I bit a pillow. Or two.” (Breaking Dawn. Most epic quote ever.)

“You may not notice me tearing the furniture apart, but it would probably scare them.” –Edward, Breaking Dawn

“Very human, Emmett. Why don‚Äôt you punch through the wall while you‚Äôre at it?” ‚ÄďRosalie
“It would look more impressive if you did it, baby.” ‚ÄďEmmett (Midnight Sun)

“Oh, for the love of all that was holy, would the catastrophes never end?” ‚ÄďEdward, Midnight Sun

“How strongly are you opposed to grand theft auto?” -Alice, New Moon

“The English room could have gone up in flames and I wouldn’t have noticed”. — Edward, Midnight Sun

 

Again, sorry it’s so short, but life happens. I’ll do better later this week! Thanks for reading you guys!

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MyNever

PS – “New Moon” comes out in exactly¬†1 MONTH!!!!





Let’s Get Twilosophical

19 10 2009

The Twilight series is of course a fun read with drool-worthy heros and nerve-wracking action, but, as with most vampire novels, it asks some deeper questions about life as well. I thought we could wrap a weekend with some of the deeper side of our beloved novels. My friends and I have debated these things extensively, so I’ll share my side of the conversation below.

A question that’s come to my mind recently is whether fate or free will rules the Twilight universe. I personally subscribe to the belief that fate and free will cannot coexist because if things are fated to happen no matter what, our choices ultimately have no impact on the final outcome. So riddle me this: Alice’s constantly shifting visions imply that the characters’ choices impact the future – free will. However, Bella and Edward are supposed to be fated for each other, especially if you’ve read the AMAZING Midnight Sun (Please finish it, Steph! Please *puppy dog eyes*¬†– and if you *haven’t* read MS I HIGHLY reccommend it. It’s AMAZING, as I’ve already¬†said) because Edward realizes that Bella was made in just such a way as to make it impossible for him to ignore her (her scent, her silent mind, etc) and Bella was “born to be a vampire” (see part 3 of Breaking Dawn,¬†around¬†the part where she’s gleefully smashing the giant rock to smithereens) which suggests that fate is controlling things.

I¬†personally¬†think that free will rules the real world and the Twilight¬†world. Choice is a HUGE factor in the series – Edward’s (bad) choice to leave in an attempt to save Bella from what he deems a terrible fate, Bella’s choice to sacrifice Jacob and the life she could have had¬†as a human to become a vampire and be with Edward for eternity, her choice to fight for Renesmee (and her choice to *name* her Renesmee ;-)). None of these were easy choices, but they were made nonetheless. The fact that they found them worth fighting for is what gave them the impression that it was all fated. Bella was great as a vampire because she’d¬†been mentally preparing for it¬†almost since she met Edward.¬†His inability to hear her mind stemmed from nothing more han the latent power that some humans possess and her blood smelled sweet to everyone, not¬†just Edward. But that’s just me.¬†What do you guys think?

Another interesting aspect of the Twi world is the concept of soulmates and whether Edward and Bella’s relationship is immature (I’ve heard this from a lot of people who clearly do not understand Twilight).

(This was in response to a friend’s comment – I’m sure you can infer what they said): You find Edward’s suicide attempt immature when he thought the sole reason for his existence was dead and he was in immense pain, but Jake threatening to kill himself to get Bella to KISS him and pick him over his competition was fine? I can see how it may seem like immature and irrational love on the surface, but you have to take into account his century of immortal experience. Also, since vampires are essentially frozen in time, for them to experience a real change, it has to be a MAJOR thing. Falling in love isn’t the same for them as it is for a human. I think they have their own equivalent of imprinting, except it’s not caused by the need to create stronger wolves. Which I think lends it more credibility as “the real thing”. Do you think Carlisle and Esme’s love is immature? They’ve never been put through the things Edward and Bella go though, so we don’t really know how they would react, but I’d be willing to bet it’d be very similar. The extra from Rosalie’s point of view makes me think she’d try the same thing if something happened to Emmett. Alice was willing to risk her brother and Bella (who she loved like a sister even before she met her, as evinced in MS) to save Jasper in New Moon. Age doesn’t mean much when you’re immortal, so I think it’s hard to apply our concept of “maturity” to the situation.

See, I kinda feel like threatening to kill yourself, even if you’re not actually gonna do it, is still exceptionally immature. It’s like a little kid holding their breath til they get their way.

I agree that centuries of experience would lead to greater maturity. That was part of my point. I get the sense that you think Edward/Bella’s relationship is immature because of all the typical “teenage” stuff, but Bella is an “old soul” and Edward is literally an old soul – 108 to be exact lol.

It’s not love at first sight. That’s a wolfy thing. Edward didn’t even realize he was falling in love with Bella for a long time. In fact, he didn’t realize it. He had it pointed out to him. (Hilariously, I might add). And just because it’s first love doesn’t mean it’s not true love. For vampires, first love is all there is because they’re frozen, constant creatures. Change is enduring and there’s no going back. First love in the human sense is sort of looked down upon because it fades over time, but in it’s initial stages it is a powerful, powerful thing. And for vampires, that powerful feeling lasts conceivably for all time. Isn’t our idealistic definition of “true love” love that lasts forever? Again, it’s an ideal. That’s why it’s fantasy. Well, that and the vampires and werewolves. And Bella and Edward’s relationship did take work (more than most, all things considered) and did evolve with time, which is what I’m gathering your definition of true love to be (correct me if I’m wrong). Edward has this internal war going on from the very beginning because he knows there’s only two possible ends: He’ll kill her himself or she’ll have to be a vampire one day. Neither one was a viable option to him, so he feels like he has to do SOMETHING. So, in the beginning, they have this constant threat of him leaving to save her from all the dark things he thinks he’s going to bring into her life, which makes them both uncertain in their relationship. Then, he manages to leave and all kinds of things result from that decision. To quote Steph:

“I didn’t realize until I was working on the resolution how much my characters had gained from this experience. Vital stuff. Without this painful separation, Bella might never have realized that Edward really is hers to keep. No matter how perfect she thinks he is, or how imperfect she thinks she is, he belongs to her. Words can’t quite capture the life-changing nature of this knowledge for Bella.¬† Equally as cataclysmic‚ÄĒEdward finally realizes the intensity of Bella’s feelings for him, something he has always underestimated. Here’s the thing about Edward: he knows human nature pretty well. He’s seen a hundred thousand human relationships from the inside, and none of them have come close to touching the depth and everlasting devotion of Carlisle’s and Esme’s love, or Alice’s and Jasper’s, or even Rosalie’s and Emmett’s. Can you blame him for thinking himself‚ÄĒafter one hundred years of immortal experience‚ÄĒcapable of a more profound love than his eighteen-year-old human girlfriend? Edward is, understandably, a bit of a know-it-all. He learns a lot through this experience, the most important being that Bella’s feelings for him are an exception to the human rule. Something else he learns (not quite as important, but still good to know) is that, despite all his knowledge, he is fully able to make hideous mistakes in judgment.”

And then, there’s Jacob. Possibly the biggest challenge their relationship faced. She had a choice. She loved someone else. It wasn’t like she fell in love with Edward and rode off into the sunset without ever looking at another man. Their relationship had trials and tribulations, just like any human one does. To quote Steph again, “In both Twilight and New Moon, Bella commits to becoming a vampire without once really examining what price she’ll pay. In Eclipse, Bella fully comprehends that price. And then she chooses to pay it.”

Why? Because to her Edward is worth it.

Another discussion topic was about the finer points of imprinting:

How did Bella’s romantic feelings for Jake just vanish? It makes sense that he got over her because of the imprinting thing, but she really did love him in more than just a brotherly way and at the end of Eclipse she says that the tear he left in her heart would always be a part of her. Now, I get that her joy at seeing him during her pregnancy came from Nessie and Jake being destined for each other, but was her love for him from the very beginning a result of the sadistic side of imprinting – she couldn’t let him go because she was destined to mother his “something that trumps a soulmate”? That doesn’t seem entirely plausible to me because Bella is just an ordinary human…it makes sense that Jake couldn’t leave her because his wolfy magic tied him to her because of the possibility of Nessie…but there was no magic acting on Bella to make it impossible for her to leave him. Furthermore, it’s a twisted way for imprinting to work…because if her feelings for Jake were because of Nessie, but they had won out in the end and she had chose Jake, there would never have been a Nessie. It’s an inherent contradiction. It’s making my brain hurt a little.

Maybe her “getting over him” was overshadowed by the Nessie connection. I guess my point is less about Bella not loving Jake like that anymore and more about the finer points of imprinting (even though it does seem odd to me that it all works out so tidily without an explantion as to how). I just find all the varied and intertwined ramifications of imprinting interesting. I wish Steph would explain it in more detail so that we aren’t left to our own conjectures, cause it’s definitely a central issue to the ultimate development of the plot. It’s like JK Rowling not telling us how horcruxes are made. How are we supposed to guess the ramifications of that information without it?

I still think her feelings for Jake were more than just familial. That kiss was way more than brotherly love. She saw the whole future she was giving up – her little black haired children. And yes it would be sick if she had a thing for her daughter’s guy. That’s why it bugs me. It’s like her feelings magically disappeared just so that element wouldn’t be a problem. It’s like when Medea rides off on a dragon-pulled chariot at the end of the play…it’s this fabricated device that doesn’t really fit in with every other aspect of the story and it’s simply there to tie things up in a pretty little bow.

I think in a fantasy book you have to just accept some things. Like imprinting is stronger than love-at-first-sight. It’s a mystical, wolfy connection that ties in with the magic in their genes. Or, if you go with Billy’s theory that it’s to create stronger wolves, it kinda removes the whole romantic aspect of it altogether. Then it’s just part of the evolutionary cycle – survival of the fittest.
 

And a final discussion topic brought up in the books themselves. Do vampires have souls?

I personally think they do. While the Cullens’ ethical choices could be purely intellectual, I don’t think it’s possible for them to feel emotions like love (both familial and romantic) without a soul. If it were by virtue of their intellectual capacities, they wouldn’t be willing to die for one another because their instinct is self-preservation above all else. I don’t think their natural bloodlust means they are automatically damned, either. They retain their essential humanity – and isn’t part of the essence of humanity the concept of a soul? Just like with human nature, it’s about what they do with the cards they’re dealt. Having a soul doesn’t mean you don’t have the capacity for both good and evil. The Cullens do better than a lot of humans (take Lonnie, for example). To quote Dumbledore, “It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities.”
Plus, it would totally suck of Steph to make us love these creatures and then damn them with no hope of…redemption, or whatever you wanna call it. I’m with Carlisle – how can there not be more for one such as Edward?

I was thinking about the Nessie thing too. Motherly love without a soul seems like a contradiction, but maybe that’s just the product of societal conditioning. But I don’t think it is.

 

Well, those are some of the points of Twilight that we found interesting and debatable. What do you guys think? Share in the comments! Also, don’t forget to follow us on Twitter¬†or friend us on Facebook (Isawforever Inmynever)!

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